The Victorious Opposition

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From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@10:59AM 09/08/10)
fingerbang: Unfortunately, the lunatic fringe does seem to be running things in the Muslim world… What source or place, other than your ass, did you pull this gem out of?

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@10:53AM 09/08/10)
fingerbang: What do you think Allahu Akbar means? All it means is God is Great. That’s it. The term is used in almost all facets of life including as a battle cry. It’s as common in the Muslim world as thank you. Let’s not cherry pick here. I grew up in the south. A “Praise Jesus” comment spoken by somebody, even for the most innocuous reasons, was quite common. We have “In God We Trust” on the dollar. Does that make…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@10:38AM 09/08/10)
Manwhore: Since you seem determined to deny Rudolph his creds, perhaps the KKK would have been a better group to mention.  I realize that have probably decided that because they don’t have the same brand of Christianity that you do they don’t count either.  Do they get credit for the burning cross? That was exactly what I was thinking, and I love how people can twist al Taquiya to mean nothing a Muslim says is the truth, but in the instance…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@10:16AM 09/08/10)
Manwhore: Manwhore, I was responding to pfluffy’s specific comment which I quoted, and she did indeed seem to be implying that this “potential for violence” was a mainstream Christendom trait.  I was setting the record straight, and never claimed nor implied that you personally said anything in particular I apologize. I misread your comment.

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@08:56AM 09/08/10)
pfluffy: tell me, does anything having to do with White Separatism, where the common held belief that whites go to Heaven and non whites all go to Hell, does this jive in any way with what Jesus told us and what the Bible tells us? No, it does not That alone is a religious view, though, rich.  It just doesn’t jibe with the mainstream version.  The conversation is about extremism in general and he was part of extremist movements. Since you…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@08:48AM 09/08/10)
zoomzoom: If a Muslim blows up a disco in Tel Aviv and leaves a note saying it wasn’t religiously motivated are you prepared to take his word for it? When one’s last words are “God is great”, I am pretty sure it is religiously motivated.

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@08:37AM 09/08/10)
richtaylor: I will paste what I already wrote earlier because I guess you missed it the first time: Have you ever, ever heard about a Muslim attack where they denied that it was not religiously motivated? What do you think Allahu Akbar means? A murderous Islamic jihadist act is not complete until the proper motivation is revealed,that is why all these terrorists acts, from the Christmas day bomber, to Major Hassan, to even that Tel Aviv disco all have the same…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@08:06AM 09/08/10)
pfluffy: Ok, I’ll take back the “most definitely” and change it to “probably”.  The FBI says that he has ties to Christian movements.  You seem to be taking his word over the FBI regarding his motivations.  I can certainly buy that he is too crazy to know why he does much of anything, but that is rather generous of such a skeptic as yourself.  Every single Muslim wants to kill Christians despite what they say but Eric Rudolph’s word is taken…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@07:45AM 09/08/10)
richtaylor: Why do you say he doesn’t qualify? I already covered that in an earlier comment.

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@07:27AM 09/08/10)
pfluffy: it would be a good idea to find some actual Christian violence to use as an example, and Rudolph does not qualify Rudolph’s motivations were most definitely religious.  His Wikipedia entry is here.  Why do you say he doesn’t qualify?

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@07:20AM 09/08/10)
richtaylor: And for the record, rich, I don’t usually make associations based on magnitude of actual events.  I used the term “potential” for a reason.  Eric Rudolph’s Centennial Park bomb during the Olympics had the potential to do more harm than it did.  It just went off at a time when only a handful were injured.  For those that were injured it was still a rather memorable event.  I understand that, for the grace of God, Rudolph’s actual body count could…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@07:10AM 09/08/10)
pfluffy: Question for the group regarding this: It’s funny how everyone on this blog was up in arms over the “Ground Zero Mosque”, saying, yeah it’s insensitive to build this thing but they have the legal right to built it godamit!  Or words to that effect. This is protected speech without a doubt, however - if there is a national security or military implication here regarding safety of troops, does Obama have a right to do something about it?  I am…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@06:55AM 09/08/10)
pfluffy: Manwhore, I was responding to pfluffy’s specific comment which I quoted, and she did indeed seem to be implying that this “potential for violence” was a mainstream Christendom trait. Quite the opposite, Iconoclast.  I am suggesting that it is the extreme in both (all?) groups that are prone to violence and not the mainstream.  Obviously, we have nothing to fear from the Presbyterians, but there are some churches in Georgia that still handle rattlesnakes on the theory that if you…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@06:13AM 09/08/10)
Iconoclast: Manwhore, I was responding to pfluffy’s specific comment which I quoted, and she did indeed seem to be implying that this “potential for violence” was a mainstream Christendom trait.  I was setting the record straight, and never claimed nor implied that you personally said anything in particular.

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@01:38AM 09/08/10)
Manwhore: Give it a rest, already—the “potential for violence” exists in the lunatic fringe of any group, including Muslims and atheists, and we should bear in mind that the Dove World Outreach Center’s plans represent the lunatic fringe’s thinking, and not mainstream Christianity (emphasis added): And can you give me a fucking break? Where did I either say I condoned this or said I think it is the mainstream anything? I merely said that there is a very extreme fringe of…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@08:46PM 09/07/10)
Iconoclast: Once again, you completely ignore the potential for violence in Christianity. Give it a rest, already—the “potential for violence” exists in the lunatic fringe of any group, including Muslims and atheists, and we should bear in mind that the Dove World Outreach Center’s plans represent the lunatic fringe’s thinking, and not mainstream Christianity (emphasis added): Speaking in short sentences with a matter-of-fact drawl, he said that he could not understand why other Christians, including the nation’s largest evangelical association, had…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@05:06PM 09/07/10)
richtaylor: It’s only discredited if you want to ignore motivations And this comment is easily discredited by: Although he has denied that his crimes were religiously or racially motivated The same holds true for the abortion clinic freaks who internalize anti-abortion stances held by, yes, christians to mean that they need to pick up arms for the children who can’t. And this would only be at all relevant if you could show me (which you can’t) that anti-abortion deaths were occurring…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@05:02PM 09/07/10)
Manwhore: The pastor himself is armed, I’ll try to find passages where others in his clergy are as well, and they are seemingly provoking a fight. Jones told The New York Times in an interview last month that he had a right to burn the Koran because “it’s full of lies.” He disagreed that the activity could put US troops in danger and said his church had received death threats. “ “We have to be careful,” he said. He tapped a…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@04:51PM 09/07/10)
Manwhore: MW mentioned abortion clinic deaths as somehow equivalent as well and I offer the same incredulity. It’s only discredited if you want to ignore motivations, unless you’re now giving more sanity to the bombers in Hamas, the PLO, Al Quada, et al. Most of the recruits to these organizations are despots who find solace in the extreme views of other like minds, and are insane. The same holds true for the abortion clinic freaks who internalize anti-abortion stances held by,…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@04:38PM 09/07/10)
richtaylor: I will never understand this moral equivalence you keep trying to peddle here, its like me stepping on a bug is somehow equivalent to Jeff Dahlmer’s actions, yes, both involve violence, but to what degree? And you will have to do better than Eric Rudolph, from his wiki page Although he has denied that his crimes were religiously or racially motivated Have you ever, ever heard about a Muslim attack where they denied that it was not religiously motivated? MW…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@03:53PM 09/07/10)
pfluffy: Nobody that I know is worried about hurt feelings or misplaced righteous indignation, its when they abscond a 747 and fly it into a building (that potential for violence thingee)that we stand up and take notice. Understand, rich, that there are 50 states in the US and you live in one of the more liberal ones.  In Georgia, righteous indignation and hypocrisy are daily fare when it comes to religion.  Sorry if I seem a bit jaded.  Piss Christ cause…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@03:01PM 09/07/10)
richtaylor: do we censor these people because we’re afraid of reprisal or do we embrace them under the auspices of freedom of speech. Both are poor options.First of all, it does not take any courage or fortitude to exercise your first amendment rights so what these hand full of church goers are doing is neither noble or risky, they should not be applauded or embraced for any fake heroics on their part. And when you say “censor”, if you mean should…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@02:24PM 09/07/10)
pfluffy: Ultimately the people that are going to suffer are the troops, and that would be my primary concern for this display. That is my major concern as well.  Generally, these things are all protected speech.  Fully half the congregation probably has a “Support the Troops” bumper sticker on their vehicle.  I always wonder what it means to the individual in the car.

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@02:20PM 09/07/10)
pfluffy: And the comparisons of Christpiss and burning the flag don’t hold up. I can’t remember an anti war protest that I attended where they did not burn the flag, yet all those clowns are still walking around with no worries of a fatwa, nor has there ever been any threats of such actions. It was more the hypocrisy and not a direct comparison.  Christians were quite outraged over someone putting a crucifix in a jar of urine yet they think…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@01:48PM 09/07/10)
Manwhore: `For me, I think the only real devil’s advocate I would play is do we censor these people because we’re afraid of reprisal or do we embrace them under the auspices of freedom of speech. They are drawing a very pivotal line for me as an American, and placing the safety of our interests overseas to practice a right that they should be entitled to. Ultimately the people that are going to suffer are the troops, and that would be…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@01:09PM 09/07/10)
richtaylor: This sounds to me like a lame recreation of “Everybody Draw Mohamed Day” Further pulling the chain of those not so few Islamic Jihadist lunatics who don’t quite get the concept of tolerance and threaten (and act) violence at the drop of a hat. “Watering down the pool of targets” may seem clever, but not if you lose your life in the process, like Theo van Gogh, or those that publish a certain Danish newspaper. But this is a bad…

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@11:25AM 09/07/10)
pfluffy: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad? Bad idea.  I wonder how many of these folks were pissed off at the flag burners of years ago or “Piss Christ”.  All it does is piss more people off at a time when we need less people pissed off.  How about invite some Muslims to your church to converse and share ideas?  Won’t happen now. the church sells coffee mugs and shirts featuring the phrase Just, damn ...

From: Burning the Quran: Good Idea or Bad?
(@11:18AM 09/07/10)
Thrill: It’s propaganda gold for AQ and pals.  No good can come of it. In fact, I can’t help but notice that the kinds of movements that get all enthusiastic about burning books in general are never the kind who come out looking good in the history books. This is even dumber than that group who was burning Bibles on Halloween last year.  The dumbassitude of it is made worse by the fact that our troops will pay the price.  That…

From: A Little Bleg on a Moral Dilemma
(@11:07AM 09/07/10)
Manwhore: Ok, I just got where you are coming from *slaps forehead*.  He is sitting around on his ass and he could be doing this free work instead Yes, exactly that. In addition, it’s almost requisite to do so if you want to be on one of these film crews. They’re teams, and they don’t just bring people in off the street. Most often you need to start out as a Production Assistant and do some dredge work in order to…

From: A Little Bleg on a Moral Dilemma
(@10:49AM 09/07/10)
pfluffy: See, pfluffy, the problem is with the motion picture industry that if you want in you’re going to have to do some free work in order to get into a Unionized film. Ok, I just got where you are coming from *slaps forehead*.  He is sitting around on his ass and he could be doing this free work instead.  It pays the same ...